2200 miles later.. 3 minor things keeping the car from being 'hot hatch' worthy.
This is a discussion on 2200 miles later.. 3 minor things keeping the car from being 'hot hatch' worthy. within the Veloster Turbo News forums, part of the Hyundai Veloster Turbo category; This morning I hit 2200 miles on the Odometer, dead on when I pulled into work.
I figure this would be a good time to ...
2200 miles later.. 3 minor things keeping the car from being 'hot hatch' worthy.
This morning I hit 2200 miles on the Odometer, dead on when I pulled into work.
I figure this would be a good time to leave another review on the car, including a few minor things Hyundai could do to make this car hang with the big boys of the hot hatch market.
Before we get started, I'd like to reiterate that I have been an advocate of the VTurbo and it NOT being a direct competitor of the GTi, Mini S and others. I don't think that the cars intended purpose was to compete with these vehicles that are thousands more and bred for being track worthy. I think the V was meant to be a very well rounded hatch; combining technology, comfort, use-ability, economy all while being quick and fun to drive. I think Hyundai accomplished this very well.
As stated, I believe there are 4 relatively small factors keeping this car from being all of what it currently is while giving the other hot hatches a run for their money.
Tires - no turbo car should be equipped with the Solus.
The Kumho Solus KH25 is a good tire, if you don't want to routinely push the car to its limits. I actually think people bash on the tires a bit to much as I have taken corners quite quickly before they start to break loose.
The KH25 is also a relatively expensive tire for the size. Of course Hyundai gets them cheaper than us but that also means they would get any other tire cheaper also.
I'm not asking for a Ultra High Performance summer tire that most people would ask for that carries a premium and has sub-par treadwear. I am asking for a High Performance All-Season tire. They could even stick with Kumho (you know since Kumho = Korean)
For around the same cost, if not cheaper, to them they could have thrown a 225/40/18 Kumho 4x on the car. This would still appeal to everyone as it wouldn't need to carry a premium, has a good treadlife, good comfort charactoristics, etc. The Kumho 4x however would be a bit wider which helps handling right from the getgo. This would also help cornering and acceleration (where the VTurbo seems to really look less than adequate in reviews)
This tire (or others similar) would probably drop the 0-60 by a couple tenths and gain a few hundreths on the skidpad. It would also be night and day on the track and mountain roads as far as how far you could push the car before it wants to kill you.
2nd gear a little taller
One of the biggest numbers a tuner and reviewers seem to comment on with a sports oriented vehicle is the 0-60 time.
As far as my 'testing' goes, you can't QUITE get to 60mph in 2nd gear. You can get very close but not there. This causes you to shift and accel before you hit that golden 60mph mark. If second gear was just a tad taller or the motor could rev a little higher you would save a bit of time getting to 60mph.
Of course with 2nd gear a little taller to hit that 60mph mark, the overall acceleration of 2nd gear would be a fraction slower because the ratio but I doubt enough to affect a faster 0-60 time.
A taller 2nd gear combined with better tires would have a significant effect on the reviews of the car and enthusiasts opinion of the car, not to mention the fun factor by these two minor changes.
I think the best tested 0-60 on the VTurbo was a pretty respectable 6.8-6.9 seconds with a 1/4 mile of 15 flat.
With better tires and that slightly taller (more broad) 2nd gear you could reasonably see 0-60 in ~6.5 seconds and a 1/4 mile a tenth or so under 15.
Heavier weighted steering
Before anyone jumps to the 'it is lighter for the sissy drivers' I am not talking about manual style steering, just something a little heavier than the car has.
I think the steering is actually quite good in the car, especially for EPS and Hyundai being somewhat new at it, as well as never really having a car 'tuned' for the track.
If they just weighted the steering a bit more to provide more resistance I think it would be perfect. There has been a couple of times in hard corners/curves at a quick speed where I don't feel as confident because the light feel of the steering turn in.
For most daily driving it is great, but by making it heavier when turning it it would provide a lot more confidence to the driver.
Other little things to bring up the value but no significant cost impact
HID option. Even if it was a 200$ option, I think a lot of people would opt for it in this car. I know there aren't many cars at this price range with HIDs but people like myself and probably most of you would opt for it, even though the option was relatively expensive.
An actual exhaust note. I understand keeping the car somewhat quiet to appeal to everyone and with local/state/federal regulations but this is a turbo sporty car and really needs to have a exhaust note that sets the car off. It doesn't have to be loud like the SRT-4 but just some 'sound' would be nice..
As far as the rest of the review, I am pretty solid in feeling the way I did before when I reviewed the car after a few hundred miles.
Of course the car is a bit more fun and better looking, now that we have the springs, exhaust, SRI, BOV, HIDS, tint, wheels etc. but from a review stand point it hasn't lost much of the OEM feel and style.
You can check out my other review here:
Review part 1
Review Part 2 -3rd post in above thread
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Trust me, changing the tires to good summer only performance tires will improve the steering feel and handling dramatically. But I think it also hurt my mileage a little.
I would pay $800 to $1000 more for an upgrade package containing HID, Climate Control, Strut Bar and Summer Performance Tires.
Last edited by MB_VT; 08-30-2012 at 11:09 AM.
Good review. I completely agree. It is a little irritating seeing the car compared to the BRZ or FR-S. They are purpose built track cars. What other car can you have fun in and get 38 mpg when you want to. I think Hyundai did an excellent job creating something that gives you the best of both worlds.
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Great review,... the points are well stated. I think I said this once before, but I bought the Velo-T to alleviate the money hemorrhage at the pump. If I want speed, roar, and cornering I'll jump in my Z-28... As far as the FR-S, that's the biggest disappointment I've ever experienced. If you're considering that POS, don't fall for the hype; the car is garbage. Especially at the price you pay for that thing after the dealers get done marking it up. I love the look, love the feel behind the wheel, but I refuse to pay that much for a so-called track car that is likely to get it's doors blown off any high school auto-shop mechanic with in a Civic... <VwwV> Given my experience I'll keep my Velo-T over that FR-S... Now once they slap a Turbo in it... hmm I might have to recant...
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Nice Ideas, Luckily in Australia ours comes with out any choice of adding the Climate control or the HID as they are standard fitment. We just got confirmation our car will be delivered to us in 6 weeks so counting down the days before I can add my 2 cents on how the tyres react to our roads.
We down under Aussies have benefited from a later release as our suspension and steering have been imporoved based on all reviews I have read and comments by overseas owners.
Yep tyres are ordinary but the way I figure its an excuse to wear them in quicker and replace with a decent set.
I recently chnaged the stock tyres on my previuos Hyundai to a better quality (sort of performance tyre) and apart from much improved grip on cornering, fuel figures improved getting average 50km extra out of a tank. Used to get around 430km to 450km on average and now consistently getting around 480km without nursing.
Agreed and would be nice if the horn didn't sound so Minnie Mouse on crack.
I completely agree about the tires. Clearly these are the tires they used to get the 38 mpg rating.
I don't agree about 2nd gear. I couldn't care less about some arbitrary measurement. My VT will never see a race track or be timed. I need 2nd to be able to launch the car from a rolling stop and manage stop and go traffic on congested highways. 2nd gear barely does this now and if it was any taller I would have to go down to 1st all the time.
I don't agree about the steering either. Like you, I think it is fine for daily driving and that is my primary concern. I have yet to have any issues when turning in with weight or feedback. I do have a problem with the steering when I've pushed the tires beyond their grip and the turbo kicks in. It abruptly goes from a solid feeling to being very loose and the torque steer takes over. That's a FWD and hard tire issue and not a steering problem.
HID's would be nice but the stock lights work fine for me. If Hyundai had a $200 HID option I would not buy it.
I'd be all up on that $200 HID option.
Hell, if there's a $500 option for adaptive HID, or $1000 options for adaptive Bi-Xenon, I'd be on that as well!!
I drive a lot at night, and there's just no comparison. Have avoided many deers thanks to the BMW Adaptive HID system.
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I haven't gotten my VT yet, I hope to this coming up income tax season. But one of my main concern with Hyundai in general were their tires. I am a tire tech at Costco so I am biased AND picky with my tires. Earlier I already priced out some Michelin Pilot Super Sports and knew I was going with those as soon as I burn the kumhos out. But today (almost every week I do this lol) I went on Hyundai's website and notices for the VT there is an option for Michelin Super Sports. It's just an extra $1200. Honestly I know its a little more than anywhere else. I know I can get it for a little less. maybe like 200 bucks less. But to start out with isn't bad. I don't know if you have seen any of those YouTube videos where their trying to pill out and they get a lot of wheel hop and the windshield wipers turns on and what nots. I guarantee with the Michelin there will be no wheel hop and it will handle way better. plus the mileage warranty is 30k. not bad for top of the line sport tires. On the Hyundai website under detail on that option it says it improves the lateral grip from .82 to .94. I am no scientific sport tuner engineer but I think thats good. not 100% sure if that is a great improvement or what. But either way I am excited they are offering that tire. I have seen other cars coming out wiht Michelin from the factory.
Originally Posted by Turbosocks
For Michelin Pilot Super Sports I can get 215/40R18 89Y XL installed and everything at costco for $1209.04 ($1133.26 with sale)
Or I can get 225/40R18 92Y XL installed for $1001.20 ($925.42 with sale)
Last edited by MyDianaZ06; 10-17-2012 at 07:56 PM.
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