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    Hyundai caved. Quality will go even lower

    Summary: 2020 Hyundai Elantra will ship with a CVT transmission, and manual trans are gone.

    I work in the automotive parts industry and have many interactions with car manufacturers, parts manufacturers, and O.E. manufacturers like Delphi and JATCO.

    What I am about to put out here is some info on a Very Big secret that people in my profession are not supposed to discuss.

    The car manufacturers are aware of the nosedive in reliability when using ANY CVT transmission. This has been known since 2003 when the first gen Jatco's were going out on 20%+ of the Nissan's using it.

    Hyundai/Kia and Toyota were staunch hold outs on using a CVT because the percentage of vehicle with a problem in the first 100000 miles goes up by more than 12%. Nissan and FCA have numbers near the 20% mark.

    Honda recently made the change to CVT trans, and their real reliability numbers when down by more than 10%. What that means is taking a car model with a standard transmission and replacing it with a CVT resulted in greater than 10% more of the cars sold having some major repair before 100000 miles.
    The CVT is suspected to have dented Honda's sales numbers in 2016, and 2017, when sales went down significantly.
    Remember, this was the same time when you could get a car loan with Zero down and he ability to fog a mirror from just about anyone.

    Based on Nissan, FCA, Honda, and Subaru, it is safe to say that the more CVT's used by Hyundai, the more quality will suffer and the more its customers will have to go in for transmission service.
    (Ironic, because to this day no one can service a CVT. Any failure results in a complete transmission replacement)

    All information available says that CVT transmissions are not reliable in the long run, and cannot actually be repaired.

    So why would these car companies use a CVT if that was the case?
    Well, I have to stop there because no one knows the real truth. I have some ideas, but no way to know if they are correct.

    Please, if you can avoid it, DO NOT purchase ANY car with a CVT transmission. There are terabytes of data which show this is the fastest way to bring down quality and put more repairs on its customers.
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    Well that's one way to sell more electric cars.
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    I mean part of it is the 1-25 percent take on manuals. Not enough people are buying them so what’s the point in continuing to make them? Look at the “Supra” I use the quotes because with out a 6 speed it isn’t the same thing to me.

    Save the Stick.
    Buy a manual while you still can. And don’t chump out like I did two years ago and take the auto because it’s there.

    Also OP is correct and CVTs are bad news. I think they will be good one day in the future. But the truth is they want you to buy new cars sooner than later.
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    Anyone who’s ever test-driven a CVT already knows they suck and will stay away from them.

    Planned obsolescence is nothing new.
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    Guess we'll have to stick to DCTs then.

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    I remember reading about one of the first cars with CVT- the nissan murano, and what a disaster those CVTs were. that's 17 years of development for CVTs and they still suck. Flareon says "I think one day they will be good in the future"- people said those exact same words 17 years ago, and I'm willing to be someone will be saying those exact same words 17 years from now.

    It's all about MPG. Manufacturers will push through a substandard technology to get the best publicized MPG numbers for people... Yeah you can squeeze out more MPG on the EPA test with a CVT but a what cost?
    Think about the whole MPG recall for Hyundai and Kia... I have a kia soul still on the reimbursement. 90000 miles so far, I take it in for verification every 7500 miles, and I get a debit card for avg $250 each time. So for I've gotten $3000 back, on a car I paid $15000 for initially, so far that means it's a $12k car, and if I keep it to 120k miles Kia will have reimbursed me 1/4 of the value of the car. The further I drive it, the more I get back. I didn't care about the MPG, but it was rated 2-3 MPG higher than it should have been. They going to pay me back no less than $4k over the lifetime of the vehicle because they inflated a number by less than 10%. So manufacturers are putting their money on the fact that consumers will go after vehicles with low MPG.
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    Change your transmission fluid well before 100k miles, tho.

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    Fluid change interval on CVT in 16 murano is 30k miles. How many people do you think actually do it?
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    Quote Originally Posted by Flareon View Post
    Fluid change interval on CVT in 16 murano is 30k miles. How many people do you think actually do it?
    If I were to guess based on reddit posts... like nobody.

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