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Finally did my first oil change at 5900km (3667 miles). Initially I planned to switch to synthetic oil and do my oil change early at around 2000km (1250 miles), however my dealer insisted that I should just wait until the first recommended service interval which is at 6000km.

My advice to my fellow new VT owners is to do your first oil change early. This is the only regret that I have so far with this car. The pictures speak for themselves and the oil that came out of the drain were completely pitch black. Normally they are dark brownish like what's on the oil cap in the last picture. Just wanted to document and share my experience with you guys.

The engine sounded much happier after the oil change. The difference was quite noticeable. Currently I am running Castro Syntec synthetic, so far so good.

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i wouldn't be too concerned about it being dark.. alot of newer oils/ turbo cars will turn black a couple hundred miles after you do the change due to the excess heat from the turbo. long as it's not getting thick you should be good.. however one first oil change it's better to be earlier then later
 

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If you think that's normal, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But good luck to you if your motor oil normally looks like that.
have you owned a turbo car before? every motor oil (royal purple, mobil 1, valvoline, castrol titanium, amisol, kendall 5w-30 synthetic as well as conventional) I've put into my other car looks like that if not darker after a couple hundred miles .. it's viscosity that counts.. not color
 

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It's going to look like this for the first two or three oil changes if done correctly 1k, 2k, and then at 3.5k. What I believe others are trying to say by "normal" is that for a new engine that is normal, as elecblue06 correctly stated "it's viscosity that counts..not color"
 

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It is normal for oil to look like this in new engines.

But I'm starting to change my mind about going 3,000-3,750 mile before the first oil change. The service manager at my dealer said the same thing, there is no reason to change the first oil early. But when I pressed him, he said that their is no service bulletin saying you shouldn't change your first oil early and it doesn't affect the warranty. He was also unaware of the first batch oil and oil filter being different on any Hyundai.

I'm at 1,500 miles and it is making more power and getting better mileage - and the turbo surging/cutting out thing has stopped. But it is not running as smooth as it first did either. I'm about to put 1,200+ miles on it over Thanksgiving and I think I'm going to change the oil before the trip.
 

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Guys, I am not some fanatic self proclaimed oil guru that you might find at forums like Bob Is The Oil Guy. Like I said in another thread, I am merely sharing some information that normal VT owners might not have access to. When you go to the dealer for an oil change, you don't know what comes out of the drain. How many owners would even be bothered to check the level with a dip stick after?

Now, is it “normal” for motor oil to get this black especially for the first oil change at the recommended service interval. YES. I total expected it to look like this. Is it a good sign? NO! The Castol Syntec used this time, I expect to come out dark brownish rather than pitch black at my next oil change. We shall see.

Because the motor ran noticeably smoother right after the oil change. Even at idle the engine sounded different before and after the oil change. I believe that the performance of the factory filled oil has deteriorated to a point where I am not comfortable with.

So, I am providing my 2 cents here based on more than just the colour of the oil. Heck, what does my mechanic know? He has only been doing this for decades and happens to have a master degree in mechanical engineering. Guess education and experience doesn't mean anything these days.

I could collect a sample and send it to the lab for analysis. But what good will that do for me? If the oil was in fact deteriorated, any damage that might have been caused is already done. If the oil is still good, well my hard earn cash is now gone. All I am saying here is that knowing what I know now, I would've done my first oil change sooner. What you do with your VT and hard earn money is none of my business.

Happy motoring and enjoy in good health.
 

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I've come around to your way of thinking.

After 30 years of owning and driving cars I know what you mean about being able to tell when your oil has deteriorated. And it seems to me that my oil has deteriorated after 1,500 miles.

So I'm going to change it before I do a long road trip over Thanksgiving.
 

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i had a saab 9-3 before this car. the dealer said to change the oil every 10-15k miles (seriously).

this veloster is a lease. i wont be changing the oil until dealer service.
 

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If you think that's normal, you are certainly entitled to your opinion. But good luck to you if your motor oil normally looks like that.
the oil on the oil cap looks completely normal, i know oil changing, my x-runner has 300k miles on it and i've done ever oil change from 0-300k, no silver flakes, no chunks... normal :cool2:
 

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i had a saab 9-3 before this car. the dealer said to change the oil every 10-15k miles (seriously).

this veloster is a lease. i wont be changing the oil until dealer service.
So does BMW and many other European manufactures. BMW does use oil specially formulated for long term use.
 

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the oil on the oil cap looks completely normal, i know oil changing, my x-runner has 300k miles on it and i've done ever oil change from 0-300k, no silver flakes, no chunks... normal :cool2:
You are comparing the x-runner to a 1.6L turbo motor supposedly making 125hp/L on regular fuel where its turbo is also cool by the motor oil.

Look, I am not here convince you of anything. Frankly I don't give a crap. Your money, your car. But for the other new VT owner out there, if you are contemplating whether to change oil early or not. You know what my opinion is.

Some people are happy as long as their car starts in the morning and makes it home in the afternoon. I personally want my car to run the best it can. Which is why I put on summer performance tires immediately upon taking delivery and now I am running dedicated winter tires and rims. Frankly, the factory all season are probably fine even in winter if you don't drive like a maniac and stay home for the worse days of snow.
 

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Pulled the stick today on mine with 3500km and the oil is very dark. Will be changing hopefully this week.
 

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You are comparing the x-runner to a 1.6L turbo motor supposedly making 125hp/L on regular fuel where its turbo is also cool by the motor oil.

Look, I am not here convince you of anything. Frankly I don't give a crap. Your money, your car. But for the other new VT owner out there, if you are contemplating whether to change oil early or not. You know what my opinion is.

Some people are happy as long as their car starts in the morning and makes it home in the afternoon. I personally want my car to run the best it can. Which is why I put on summer performance tires immediately upon taking delivery and now I am running dedicated winter tires and rims. Frankly, the factory all season are probably fine even in winter if you don't drive like a maniac and stay home for the worse days of snow.

thats exactly why it's so dark...
 

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You are comparing the x-runner to a 1.6L turbo motor supposedly making 125hp/L on regular fuel where its turbo is also cool by the motor oil.

Look, I am not here convince you of anything. Frankly I don't give a crap. Your money, your car. But for the other new VT owner out there, if you are contemplating whether to change oil early or not. You know what my opinion is.

Some people are happy as long as their car starts in the morning and makes it home in the afternoon. I personally want my car to run the best it can. Which is why I put on summer performance tires immediately upon taking delivery and now I am running dedicated winter tires and rims. Frankly, the factory all season are probably fine even in winter if you don't drive like a maniac and stay home for the worse days of snow.
my truck just passed smog as almost new... put in Chevron or Shell gas and fallow the maintenance schedule and every thing will be fine, all people are telling you is that what your presenting is normal, relax and enjoy your car.
 

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no, they use a micro filter... special filter.
BMW does have a list of approved oil. Just FYI. Not that they are anything so special that you can't buy at the store.

Synthetic Engine Oils - BMW North America

Just because I am in the minority here doesn't mean that I am wrong. When the factory oil failed to do the best job possible to lubricate the engine, it's not an issue decided by a democratic vote.


Now, let's give each other the benefit of the doubt here and assume that both of our claims are true. I certainly don't doubt yours. Toyota, by the way makes some of the toughest little trucks out there. You can probably change the oil at every 30,000km in desert climate and it would've still ran. On the other hand just because your truck ran fine, doesn't dismiss my cautionary warning to other new VT owner. Just like you don't need every Toyota to unintentional acceleration, you just need one and we have got a problem. A few more, then Toyota got a problem.

Of course, engine oil is a minor issue in comparison. I am just using that as an example to point out the logic behind it. Again, your car and your money. An early oil change is probably one of the best and cheapest investment that you can make to protect your engine.
 
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