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Ya it took less than 30 mins to put seats back in, cat-back on, and air the tires back up.

Next Saturday I am going to knock out a 8.xxx 1/8th mile and a 13.xxx 1/4th mile then call it good. Will not take me long to do so as I pretty much figured things out on the 6 passes I made. From there on I will pit crew for 13EliteVT to get him a better time. He will not go 13's though as he would have to go .5-.6 seconds quicker in the 1/8th to do so. Which may not even be possible with slicks and dropping the clutch at redline with power he's currently making!
 

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Wow a <14s 1/4 mile with a <200whp car is optimistic, but I'd love to see it. Would give me hope for sure! :haha:

Is a tune in the works for you at one point? That would probably have even more of an impact than tires.
 

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Ya doubt it's over 200 whp. They make what 170 whp stock and all performance wise was air filter on stock tubing, upgraded hot pipe, took cat back off, and fuel line. Doubt that will add more than 30 whp. Plus oem tune limits power in the 200 whp area anyway.
More parts are planned to go on the car that will help power and for sure want/need a tune to take advantage of all parts.
Goal is 7's in the 1/8 mile, hopefully 11's in the 1/4, stock motor.....
 

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Planning to set some records this sat down the strip. Going to be a little lighter, slightly more power, and the density altitude is looking to be in the negatives and around 1k feet less than when I made passes last week!
 

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Well no records were set today.
Same traction issues but worse due to track being horrible. Air was good to make power though. DA was in the - all day. My best times were 2.1 60', 5.9 330', 9.1 1/8 mile @ 77-78 mph, 14.1 1/4 mile @ 98-99 mph. This was running 2-3 psi below oem boost curve due to having a blown coupler..... even blew the fin-less non beaded ORHP off on a pass an it hit the track hard but just scratched. Pretty tough little bugger!
If I would of had another coupler with me records would of been set..... oh well.....
 

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My A/T was hitting low 14s with roughly same mods. 2400rpm launch. I am going to the track today hoping they are handing out slips and not just doing fun runs. it will be the first time i really opened my new Rally up. curios as to what you were launching at Elite? i think the first run ill go with 3200 rpms (stock tires) and then the next ill try 3800 then just play with it from there.

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I'm car 82. Elite vt's 16 rally is car 62.
Well no personal bests but best I have proof of on tickets for e.t. and mph. Also first time down the 1/4 mile in the VT.
Still need to sort out traction as it is still an issue as well as high cat temps killing power due to rich afrs. This is evident in my mph as I only had 1 pass that cat temps were in check and it ran +4 mph over the other passes.
 

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My A/T was hitting low 14s with roughly same mods. 2400rpm launch. I am going to the track today hoping they are handing out slips and not just doing fun runs. it will be the first time i really opened my new Rally up. curios as to what you were launching at Elite? i think the first run ill go with 3200 rpms (stock tires) and then the next ill try 3800 then just play with it from there.
I tried a few different launches. 2500, 3000, 2000, feathering the clutch out, dropping the clutch........they all resulted in spinning the tires. Letting out gradually was looking good and then when I let all the out, it started spinning. I really think it's the tires. Hopefully soon I get some better tires. But in the mean time, I have a guy at work that is going to let me try his 16" slicks from his SC300.
 

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I would not run super sticky tires on oem components if you plan to drop the clutch on an m/t car. Sticky tires on an auto car is a little different as there is much less sudden spike in power application vs the manual.
Seen many a manual platform break driveline components at far less power than auto will. And I'm talking low power manual tranny platforms.
With that being said I can test those slicks for ya.....lol!
 

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When I ran: 2.0 60', 9.0 1/8, and 14.0 1/4, my car made 182 whp/178 wtq dynojet.

Since then adding light pulleys, Catless dp, higher flow hotpipe, lighter wheels, and better tires gave me +8 whp and +34 wtq!

Since that dyno I've been tuned by sxth element engineering and currently at 215 whp! With better flowing exhaust, intake, intercooler, and hotpipe for my next dyno session, I should be in the 250-270 whp area on a new tune in the coming weeks pending no limiters will be hit.....

Lower motor mount en-route to help keep wheel hop down, and rear will be modified by raising 2-2.5" with 0 travel to keep weight over front tires. If this does not prevent spinning with new tires, no worries. My bro owns a tire/wheel shop and has 2 slicks on wheels ready to go on.....

Records will be set in 2017 on day 1 at the track!

Looking for a sub 8 second 1/8 pass..... ;-)
 

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I think what you're going to run into is the lighter you make the car the more you're going to have wheel spin, especially with stock suspension. Also, unless you upgrade the front suspension, like adding a LSD, and other components, at some point that front end is going to give out. This car just isn't built for abuse like an SRT-4 is. Those things are built for the track from the factory.

Also, HP really doesn't matter unless there's before and after numbers. Numbers you did months ago don't translate because there are so many variables from ambient temps, humidity, car temps, different gas even if from the same station, the list goes on. 215HP one day and 230HP a month later may be the same thing depending on the conditions.

If you're running 1/8 mile I would put small wheels, maybe 17 or 16's with meaty slicks. Roll out a few feet and punch it. Don't worry about your reaction times unless your racing someone.
 

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I think what you're going to run into is the lighter you make the car the more you're going to have wheel spin, especially with stock suspension. Also, unless you upgrade the front suspension, like adding a LSD, and other components, at some point that front end is going to give out. This car just isn't built for abuse like an SRT-4 is. Those things are built for the track from the factory.

Also, HP really doesn't matter unless there's before and after numbers. Numbers you did months ago don't translate because there are so many variables from ambient temps, humidity, car temps, different gas even if from the same station, the list goes on. 215HP one day and 230HP a month later may be the same thing depending on the conditions.

If you're running 1/8 mile I would put small wheels, maybe 17 or 16's with meaty slicks. Roll out a few feet and punch it. Don't worry about your reaction times unless your racing someone.
Car is not going to get much lighter at this point. Not going extreme on weight loss to run the times. Also the weight is coming off rear of car for the most part. I mean at 2860 lbs race weight I have 1900 lbs over the front tires.....

The issues I've had spinning was due to severial things: Track conditions being bad, oem tires suck, weight shifting off front tires, wheel hop from engine/trans movement, and surge of power in oem tune.

One I hit the track with current mods and a decent tune I'll see what I need to tweak next. At some point I fully expect to need more suspension mods and an LSD. But I want to see at what point they'll be needed first.

Re SRT-4 being made for track(dragstrip), I don't think so myself. I driven them, tuned them, modded them, and have friends that have done the same. They can make good power but will not hook up. And when they do the axles snap. Takes 100 whp more to run same times as my auto VT.....

Speaking of power, I have dyno numbers with mods I ran times with and the density altitude listed during the passes. Since dyno is corrected to 0' density altitude and all my passes were made at a higher DA, means I made less power than on dyno when passes were made.

I already have 16" wheels that weigh 13 lbs on car and slicks on light wheels as well. I'm not worried about spinning at all with slicks on oem motor and turbo. And I'm not rolling out and punching it either. Boost launch only for me..... ;-)

I know what it takes to make a good pass. The only VT that may have made a quicker pass is one with slicks that dyno 126 whp more than mine and only .2-.3 seconds quicker in the 1/4. And still have not seen a slip yet.....

That should say something.....
 

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MIne went pretty good in the eighth but I can properly launch a car. RT is another story LoL


What killed it for me was the cost of the LSD and installing it myself is almost as much as buying another car for wheel to wheel racing.
 

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Not a PB with the VT but best slip I have so far.

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Car was 100 lbs heavier than usual, could not boost launch, and spun to around 150'. DA was around 1700'. Only had time to make 4 passes so I did not get a good feel for the track to dial in tire psi and get the launch down.

First pass was a 9.6 @ 78 mph being very conservative on the launch and did not go WOT until around 200'. Pass 2 it went 9.1, pass 3 went 8.9, pass 4 went 8.8.
 

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19 psi max(3 psi low via boost controller), no boost launch, wot at 100', 100+ lbs heavy, oem intercooler, oem turbo, 225 street tire!

Ran two other 8.7's and one 8.8 pass with 22 psi max and boost launch but more power made the launch and the spinning much worse as well as the times. :-(

Car had the power for a VT record pass but not if you can't put it to the ground!
 

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Got the car down to the 2,760-2,780 lb area for race weight, have a better suspension setup for the car, and mounted/test fit a set of ET Street R's on the front! 20170609_090215.jpg

All I need is decent weather on a track day to set some records and PB's with the VT! This will include the 1/4 mile as I found out several test n tune days will be held at the local 1/4 mile track (Z-Max)this summer!
 

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Could not get the car to hook up and launch. 60' were .2-.4 sec slower than they should be.

Missed 1/8 record by .227 second!
Missed 1/4 record by .41 second!

If I can just get her to hook up.....

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Had some tune issues that need to be worked out for sure that held me back. Also did not have the ram air hooked up tonight and was a little heavier than I could have been.
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Current best pass on easy -.6 psi launch and mild tune. Still stock engine, stock turbo, stock intercooler. Car weight 2,780 lbs.
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Current best pass on easy -.6 psi launch and mild tune. Still stock engine, stock turbo, stock intercooler. Car weight 2,780 lbs. View attachment 105791 View attachment 105792 View attachment 105793
I hope to beat that once I get the Sloccent finished and dialed in with your help. 👍
It's still going to be awhile though but good things come to those that wait. 🤟
Good runs @trdtoy . 👍

Btw I hope to get some 1320 and/ or 1/8 mile action next time I'm home. I'm wanting to get some baseline numbers and the drag racing itch seems to have returned. 😂🤷🏼‍♂️
I'll post up my slow times and slips when done. Can't wait and hopefully it doesn't rain the whole week like last time I was home. 😒
 

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Don't wait too long or try to best my times as it will be a difficult moving target :)
 

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Don't wait too long or try to best my times as it will be a difficult moving target :)
I'll take a sloppy second then. 😈
No competition as those days are gone from the early to mid 2000's and a couple of trophies.
These days it has to be a slip or it never happened so I'll enjoy getting giggled at when the Sloccent is chugging down the strip in n/a form.
Im hoping for a 16.0-16.5 as the car feels pretty good after first gear.

I've got an 11 second Honda that'll keep you at bay for a little while. 😂
Should be faster once it's rebuilt. 🤞

Good luck in your continued quest to break into the 10's. 🙏🏽🤟
 
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