Pierce Motorsports Brakes - Nice

MA1tR!X said:

Are the front rotors the same diameter as the OEM's (11.8 inches)?

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Yes sir---direct replacement---I can do them crossdrilled/slotted/or dimpled.

Totally understand---yeah the bottom stickers work well/better on lighter colors for sure.

The rotor's are not cryoed---they're zinc coated and can be black or silver---we went with black to match the car.

Well it's all chromoly alloy---super rigid, and I can use a pretty thin wall to get the strength needed---the upper brace is right around 6-7lbs and the lower 4 point brace is in the 4-5lb range. Driveability---priceless!!

Boots Ylectric said:

Would it be worth it to get them Cryoed? I know some shops by me do it, or so I've heard, and I heard if you do it once the rotors realistically should outlast the car.

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If you were doing endurance racing with the car---where stress cracks are an issue then absolutely. For a street car no---the wear is increased a bit, and the resistance to warping a bit more, but your not going to get the crazy heat cycles in them so it's not cost effective. Besides they're warrantied for life anyways!

I think the 6 point is over the top for any street driven car, and a requires you to be mindful when driving. The 2 point/4 point would be a better solution---as far as getting rid of the push/understeer, the brace wont effect it either way (it may increase grip at that end a bit/maybe slightly better, but you'd have to be on the track to notice), but would increase your sensitivity/responsiveness on the wheel---overall more confidence inspiring/consistency in the wheel. Adding rear spring rate/more roll stiffness in the back would help bring the balance back towards neutral, at least in off throttle/maintenance throttle (part throttle) corners. The braces also may add grip in harder throttle applications/corner exit keeping things in line.

You know it's your call ultimately---yes there's a difference---if your going all out then that's what the 6 point is about---all out performance. The 4 point has no issues with ground clearance at all---the six reduces the ground clearance by 1.5" at the center of the X---we're 2" lower than stock with our coilovers and another 1/2" lower than stock with out wheel/tire package---so 2.5" lower than stock---and I'm able to get over the tallest speed bumps in our lot if I slow down for them---think of it as if your having to protect the front lip on a lowered car...

Increasing the firmness all the way around would be ideal and getting more rate in the back or more roll resistance---the 2 point will definitely make a difference---we used it at out last event (the 4/6 point will bump me into the next class as I've maxed out the mods/points!) with great success!

They're a metallic pad---I get about 3 track days out of a set of the oem pads with some daily driving in between---I should get a year out of the race pads depending on the track...

samlessard said:

Pierce, how do you considere the performance of you disk and your pad compare to the expensive BREMBO one? I won't put you in a hole, but BREMBO have a NAME* i won't say you have one! but i was just wondering is there a big performance difference? I know there's a cost one though! XD Thanks you Pierce, i do not own your part for the moment but thanks you for what you offer us!

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No worries---the two products are in completely different categories---I can tell you that if your an autocrosser/street guy your liable to be quicker on my stuff/smaller stuff because it's much lighter and has better feel with the oem calibrated MC---at the track however the Brembo will outlast the stock size rotor by a LONG ways...The stopping distances would be very similar for a few minutes of hard braking and then the stock size discs/pads will start to fall off a bit while the brembo's should go all day and night. I don't care for the pad compound they use---the performance friction/raybestos race compound/Porterfield R4---even a Hawk blue probably has a better feel to it than what brembo uses. But to be fair, the brake upgrades are in completely different categories---

-X- said:

Ordered! This should be a great improvement in braking along with some unsprung weight loss! Should be about 2 lbs. lighter per corner, per my discussion with Jim.

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Got it thanks!

I think you should probably weigh the front rotors again, sounds like you've more than doubled the actual weight-the shipping weight for a pair of fronts is around 50lbs...

You had me nervous so I just checked the shipping weight on Kaishi's fronts and they're 40.2lbs for the the pair and 18lbs for the rear pair...phew!!!

-X- said:

I just checked the shipping info and it was 40.5 lbs. for both. Guessing 19 lbs. each actual which makes sense. Again, sorry, I'll edit my post above and correct it.

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No worries-that sounds about right as the boxes they use are pretty thick because of the weight. I don't have one to weigh here, but we weighed a stock one and it was either just under or over 20lbs. The pads break in more like street pads than race pads so they'll get better more responsive in time---they'll start to really show their stuff under repetitive stops/hard use.

They're $300 shipped to your door.

Just the rotors-but I'm working on bundle pricing for brakes/suspension packages.

Velosynter said:

Is that still an option ? (The black coating) I didn't see it on the website ... Thanx !

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It is an option---you can leave a note with paypal requesting it or just give me a pm here with your address and I'll send you an invoice through paypal directly-thanks