[Boots Ylectric]

Is there a longer (width wise) and shorter (height wise) core out there that we could maybe use? Reason I ask is that without modifying the crush bar or the bumper both of the FMIC kits available to us are wasting an inch or two being hidden by the lower portion of the bumper right? What if there was a core that covered the same square inches by just being a slightly different shape? Is there one out there? Do the gents making IC's think they could find some way to get the bends right if they did go that route? I'm just kinda thinking outloud with very little knowledge about the FMIC's since I don't have on yet. Just curious.

 

[Turbosocks]

well, no and yes.. possibly maybe..

The width is already maxxed out at 3.5" thick. The length is already pretty long at 22".

If you were to get one that didn't have any part covered, it would have to be about 6" tall.

To get the same size core, you would need an FMIC that was: 29"x3.5x6" That would be a wideeee ass intercooler with the end tanks and everything. A 29"x6"x3.5" core would probably be about 35" total width with end tanks. Not sure how it would fit or not. I still need to come up with some easy bumper modifications with a duct to help increase my efficiency.. Taking on too many projects at once lately

It also wouldn't be anywhere close to a standard size core that you could just buy off the shelf WITH or WITHOUT end tanks. This means that you would need somewhere to custom make you an odd ball core which means $$$$$$ Then you have custom end tanks AND a custom core vs. just having to to custom end tanks (845 style) or using an off-the-shelf cooler (Turbosocks Style)

This is something that some other companies may address but you will also notice a higher price to go with the custom core size. Will it be worth the extra money? We will have to see.

The two kits available now use off-the-shelf sized cores that were the biggest you could cram in the space available without modifications.

There will be a crash bar coming out that will give you the ability to raise my FMIC kit higher to make it a bit more efficient..

All will come down to how much money you want to throw at the car and if you want to squeeze every OUNCE of efficiency you can out of it.

If you want maximum efficiency out of an intercooler setup, go with a water-air IC!

 

[Boots Ylectric]

I figured there was a pretty good reason it hadn't been done by you or 845 yet. I just wanted to open the topic up. Seems like opening these discussions up keeps breeding new ingenuity from you guys, so why no throw even the craziest ideas out there? Like 29" intercoolers lol.

 

[Turbosocks]

its not that it is a super crazy idea but you would have to go the next level UP in sourcing the parts to the actual manufacturer or a custom shop that buys big pieces of intercooler core to cut up into smaller cores.

There was a shop somewhere near me that used to do exactly that but they used really high end cores so their custom sized cores would probably cost over half of what my entire kit costs. It is all a pay-to-play game!

If you want maximum efficiency, you pay the highest prices.

Here is a good example..

From Bell Intercoolers.. MSRP on a 29"x3.5"x6" core is.... 564$.. yep, you read that right.. 44$ more than my entire intercooler setup, not including shipping.

Closest Garrett Core.. $305.66 which is over 100 ci smaller than the cores we are using, coming in at 498 ci

 

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Is there a longer (width wise) and shorter (height wise) core out there that we could maybe use? Reason I ask is that without modifying the crush bar or the bumper both of the FMIC kits available to us are wasting an inch or two being hidden by the lower portion of the bumper right? What if there was a core that covered the same square inches by just being a slightly different shape? Is there one out there? Do the gents making IC's think they could find some way to get the bends right if they did go that route? I'm just kinda thinking outloud with very little knowledge about the FMIC's since I don't have on yet. Just curious.

Yes and yes. We have the proper cut core sitting here in the shop with CAD designed end tanks. Our FMIC kit will not require any modification to the bumper or crash bar but... we are working on something even better. A stock replacement system that uses a liquid to air core. Keep an eye out for the results!

 

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well, no and yes.. possibly maybe..

The width is already maxxed out at 3.5" thick. The length is already pretty long at 22".

If you were to get one that didn't have any part covered, it would have to be about 6" tall.

To get the same size core, you would need an FMIC that was: 29"x3.5x6" That would be a wideeee ass intercooler with the end tanks and everything. A 29"x6"x3.5" core would probably be about 35" total width with end tanks. Not sure how it would fit or not. I still need to come up with some easy bumper modifications with a duct to help increase my efficiency.. Taking on too many projects at once lately

It also wouldn't be anywhere close to a standard size core that you could just buy off the shelf WITH or WITHOUT end tanks. This means that you would need somewhere to custom make you an odd ball core which means $$$$$$ Then you have custom end tanks AND a custom core vs. just having to to custom end tanks (845 style) or using an off-the-shelf cooler (Turbosocks Style)

This is something that some other companies may address but you will also notice a higher price to go with the custom core size. Will it be worth the extra money? We will have to see.

The two kits available now use off-the-shelf sized cores that were the biggest you could cram in the space available without modifications.

There will be a crash bar coming out that will give you the ability to raise my FMIC kit higher to make it a bit more efficient..

All will come down to how much money you want to throw at the car and if you want to squeeze every OUNCE of efficiency you can out of it.

If you want maximum efficiency out of an intercooler setup, go with a water-air IC!

Please remember that bigger is not always better. Core size and design does have a HP rating for a reason. Putting a 600 WHP core on a 200 WHP car... would be worse than running with the stock FMIC. Cheap core needs to be big in order to cool the car, hence its cheap. Quality core can be small and efficient but causes the cost to go up.

This is why we are looking at LTA intercooling for the VT. A good LTAI will support 200 to 500 WHP without any side effects like an Air to Air set up. LTAI's don't suffer from heat soak when sitting in traffic (well designed LTAI come with fans on the heat exchanger). Air to Air intercoolers suffer bad from traffic stops and heat soak. I have built many LTAI's with huge success in high HP forced induction 4 cyl applications, we are excited to see how the VT responds to a similar set up.

 

[Boots Ylectric]

Hmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmmm. I'm almost glad that I won't have the money to do any real mods until next year. Let everyone work the kinks out, go through V.1, v.2, etc. Shit's gonna get real son!

 

[SilverTipp]

Yes and yes. We have the proper cut core sitting here in the shop with CAD designed end tanks. Our FMIC kit will not require any modification to the bumper or crash bar but... we are working on something even better. A stock replacement system that uses a liquid to air core. Keep an eye out for the results!

Since my car was totaled, and I will be replacing it soon (still nothing better than the VT at the moment for my needs), I was wondering if you have an update on this? I would like to not have to remove that bottom portion. Stock liquid/air would be amazing as well.