Raising the boost? What about an EBC?

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UB13VT

Discussion Starter · Nov 30, 2012

Back in the 90's we had things called "Boost Controllers" which we used to raise the boost on turbo'd cars.

Has anyone considered wiring one of these in or even using a manual one?

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Turbosocks

· #2 · Nov 30, 2012

I have thought about wiring a manual one in but am curious to see how the 2013 GCoupe guys deal with it (similar setup) My thought is since the stock boost is electronically controlled, it will adjust itself if we piggyback another controller on it.

Also, I don't think that actually raising the boost will be the best idea. What really needs to be done is preventing the tapering of the boost from the spike (18-19lbs) to 12-14lbs. If the WG/BC setup kept the boost at a solid 16lbs to redline, the car would be a totally different animal.

[email protected]

· #3 · Nov 30, 2012

Turbosocks said:
I have thought about wiring a manual one in but am curious to see how the 2013 GCoupe guys deal with it (similar setup) My thought is since the stock boost is electronically controlled, it will adjust itself if we piggyback another controller on it.

Also, I don't think that actually raising the boost will be the best idea. What really needs to be done is preventing the tapering of the boost from the spike (18-19lbs) to 12-14lbs. If the WG/BC setup kept the boost at a solid 16lbs to redline, the car would be a totally different animal.

probably right on all fronts on this one.. that being said I'll probably hook up the spare MBC I have sitting around lol

a solid 16 psi across the board would probably make the car fantastic to drive.. it would push out probably another 25-30 whp peak and the power would come on smoother as well

UB13VT

Discussion Starter · #4 · Nov 30, 2012

Turbosocks said:
I have thought about wiring a manual one in but am curious to see how the 2013 GCoupe guys deal with it (similar setup) My thought is since the stock boost is electronically controlled, it will adjust itself if we piggyback another controller on it.

Also, I don't think that actually raising the boost will be the best idea. What really needs to be done is preventing the tapering of the boost from the spike (18-19lbs) to 12-14lbs. If the WG/BC setup kept the boost at a solid 16lbs to redline, the car would be a totally different animal.

What sort of wastegate setup do we have on our cars? Does anyone even have a picture of the turbo/manifold itself?

GT800

· #5 · Nov 30, 2012

That really is the only complaint i have with this car. If the power came on more linear it would be so much more fun. THe power delivery was definately not perfected before the car was released IMO

bOoStIn-VT

· #6 · Nov 30, 2012

UB13VT said:
What sort of wastegate setup do we have on our cars? Does anyone even have a picture of the turbo/manifold itself?

This about the closest picture you can see of the manifold. You will see the electronic wastegate on the right side of the turbo.

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[email protected]

· #7 · Nov 30, 2012

GT800 said:
That really is the only complaint i have with this car. If the power came on more linear it would be so much more fun. THe power delivery was definately not perfected before the car was released IMO

low end torque is all well and good .. but i'd guarantee the car would get better mpg if it had less boost down low and spooled up SLIGHTLY later .. like 2500 instead of 1900 being that it has peak torque by 1950, that means on the highway with cruise on is probably spooling the turbo once you hit any gradation. and more "pleasing" throttle

Turbo 'ToonSter

· #8 · Nov 30, 2012

For the most part, any revving above 2200 RPM will decrease MPG. Take a look at what the "Hyper milers" are doing to get the really high MPG. In order to get the best MPG, the turbo has to come on very early in order to supply enough low end torque for the transmission to shift early and keep the RPMs down.

Now if Hyundai would have put in a 2 part ECU map, We could really enjoy both ends of the turbos ability.

I am curious to know if the auto transmissions sport mode changes any of the engine management or if it is strictly a transmission control.

[email protected]

· #9 · Nov 30, 2012

Turbo 'ToonSter said:
For the most part, any revving above 2200 RPM will decrease MPG. Take a look at what the "Hyper milers" are doing to get the really high MPG. In order to get the best MPG, the turbo has to come on very early in order to supply enough low end torque for the transmission to shift early and keep the RPMs down.

Now if Hyundai would have put in a 2 part ECU map, We could really enjoy both ends of the turbos ability.

I am curious to know if the auto transmissions sport mode changes any of the engine management or if it is strictly a transmission control.

I knjow low end torque makes it better due to less effort from the motor HOWEVER, peak torque at 2k means you're basically always going to be in boost.. my old turbo setup was like that on my other car 360 wtrq by under 3k.. and the car would be at like 2-5 psi on cruise control if i hit any incline . it killed my MPG .. i switched to a bigger turbo and when I was on 93 I got much better mpg then on the old turbo.. (33 vs 27-28)

UB13VT

Discussion Starter · #10 · Dec 1, 2012

bOoStIn-VT said:
This about the closest picture you can see of the manifold. You will see the electronic wastegate on the right side of the turbo.

There goes the EBC idea. Shit!

Turbosocks

· #11 · Dec 2, 2012

It depends on how hard it would be to just unhook and/or bypass the stocker. I am going to see how btrcc it's taking care of this on the new gc, it has to be similar

[email protected]

· #12 · Dec 2, 2012

Turbosocks said:
It depends on how hard it would be to just unhook and/or bypass the stocker. I am going to see how btrcc it's taking care of this on the new gc, it has to be similar

i dont think so if you remember a bit back I found a wastegate actuator for I think the GC from ATP and it was an actual arm actuator so unless it's something that needs extensive modding

Turbosocks

· #13 · Dec 3, 2012

the 2010-2012 GCoupe used a different setup which I believe was the MY the ATP WGA was for.

BTRcc

· #14 · Dec 11, 2012

Boost is controlled and monitored by the stock ECU, if it sees that it is boosting outside its parameters, your car will be put into limp mode. Simply raising boost in a vehicle can cause severe damage to the engine with lean conditions and knocking issues.

Veloster and Veloster Turbo ECU's are being worked on day in and day out by our tuner to figure out how to tune these bad boys without the ECU going crazy on us

just hold your horses and wait for the correct solution

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Boots Ylectric

· #15 · Dec 11, 2012

btrcc said:
veloster and veloster turbo ecu's are being worked on day in and day out by our tuner to figure out how to tune these bad boys without the ecu going crazy on us just hold your horses and wait for the correct solution

likey!

serioussam

· #16 · Dec 12, 2012

Can I have the ''correct solution'' for Christmas Please!!!!

MTD

· #17 · Dec 12, 2012

Curious to see who comes out with a reflash first. BTR or SFR.

serioussam

· #18 · Dec 12, 2012

SFR already have stage .5 flash for the 2013 genesis but I dont know if they are working on the VT already...

MTD

· #19 · Dec 12, 2012

Yeah they are covering the Genesis and just about everyother Huyunda/Kia product, but seem to be dragging their feet with the VT.

I have 2 cars to tune, so whomever car do both gets my money lol.

jeremy

· #20 · Dec 12, 2012

BTRcc said:
Boost is controlled and monitored by the stock ECU, if it sees that it is boosting outside its parameters, your car will be put into limp mode. Simply raising boost in a vehicle can cause severe damage to the engine with lean conditions and knocking issues.

Veloster and Veloster Turbo ECU's are being worked on day in and day out by our tuner to figure out how to tune these bad boys without the ECU going crazy on us just hold your horses and wait for the correct solution

Trying to be patient

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