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Tire Choices are Driving Me MAD (pun intended) + Long Term Opinions

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:question:After discovering that there's some steel belt showing through the loved-by-all Khumo Solus tires that were oh so graciously bestowed upon most all of us VT owners (curse you Michelin PSS upgraders), I decided I needed to upgrade. Well, when I started researching 11 man hours ago, I didn't think it would be too difficult. Turns out I was dead wrong.

It seems like a lot of people like the Continental DWS on this site. There were a few people pointing out the Khumo Ecsta 4x as being a cheaper, better alternative (not too hard to accomplish that goal over the Solus). Then there was one guy who mentioned the Cooper RS3-A as being better than the DWS. I wish these were the only opinions out there. Turns out EVERYONE ELSE ON THE INTERNET including Consumer Reports either loves or hates all the above mentioned tires on top of some others I wound up researching (Michelin A/S Plus included).

What I'm looking for is a tire that can do everything under the sun and cook breakfast....though that would be nice, wouldn't it? All I really want is a tire that has good tread life, lower road noise, higher comfort, and improved traction over the Khumo Solus tires. For all I know, all of the above is next to impossible. If I were looking for outright performance, I'd budget up, get the Michelin PSSes, and try to pull 1.0 Gs all day. Heck, if you're going to tell me that they are cormfortable and last a while I'd reconsider. If I were looking for comfort, I would have bought a Buick.

So yeah... I know there was another tire thread on this forum that wound up exchanging opinions on how amazing or horrible Costco is toward the end. Also, it was concluded a little while ago and I figured I'd ask which of you wound up liking your respective tires in the long haul. Which of you found the tread to hold up as well as comfort and performance? Also, what tended to be your driving style (e.g. Spirited, aggressive, relaxed)? MPG increase/decrease over stock would be great as well. Any input would help.

For all I know, I'm batsh*t insane and I just need to do some suspension upgrades.
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Alot depends on your location....does it snow, rain alot, always sunny...

If you get snow, Id say narrow your search to all seasons unless you will have dedicated winter wheels/tires. I just threw Mich PSP 225/35/19 and the ride quality is 90% better than the Solus 245/40/18. It grips like its laying down a snail trail of glue under it, and doesnt squeal like a pig when pushed like the Solus.

If you need ALL SEASON, look at the DWS, or Ecstax4.
Sorry for the lack of elaboration, but DWS all the way.
Alot depends on your location....does it snow, rain alot, always sunny...

If you get snow, Id say narrow your search to all seasons unless you will have dedicated winter wheels/tires. I just threw Mich PSP 225/35/19 and the ride quality is 90% better than the Solus 245/40/18. It grips like its laying down a snail trail of glue under it, and doesnt squeal like a pig when pushed like the Solus.

If you need ALL SEASON, look at the DWS, or Ecstax4.
I have a dedicated set of Winter tires. Most people would be recommending full on summer tires at that statement, but I've heard that the tire wears out much more quickly than that of a good all season tire. They also tend to cost more. How many miles have you gotten out of the Michelins so far? How many do you figure you have left to go?
Sorry for the lack of elaboration, but DWS all the way.
Miles on tires? Miles left to go?
I realize that different cars handle the same tires differently. That's why the opinions all over the Internet would vary. I'm hoping some specific accounts from long term use will help. Basic recommendations are still very much appreciated, though.
Isn't Michelin supposed to be releasing the PSS A/S 3 soon. I think it's rated 40,000 miles, that means 20,000 for me lol. I had the DWS on my G6 and they where way better than the Hankook that where on the car, I would buy them again, but I want to see what the new Michelin is like. I've always felt the Michelin rides better than any tire I've had.
I have a dedicated set of Winter tires. Most people would be recommending full on summer tires at that statement, but I've heard that the tire wears out much more quickly than that of a good all season tire. They also tend to cost more. How many miles have you gotten out of the Michelins so far? How many do you figure you have left to go?
I just got em a week ago...so cannot say. They have a 30,000 mile guarantee...but doubt Ill see it :D I think you are thinking about it way too much. Get something super sticky or something semi-sticky that lasts longer.
I know I'm worrying about it too much. Maybe I'll just wait for a few more pieces of input before I make my decision.
Just to throw another one into the loop: I personally like Hankook Ventus V12 Evo's. Decent price for the performance you get out of them.

I'll be upgrading to these hopefully as I get my new rims
Check out some of the Nitto line. I loved my NT05's, a completely different tire than you are looking for but a great tire for the price. I have heard great things about the 555's, which will likely be my next street tire, but the neogen and the motivo's have great reviews as well.
Isn't Michelin supposed to be releasing the PSS A/S 3 soon. I think it's rated 40,000 miles, that means 20,000 for me lol. I had the DWS on my G6 and they where way better than the Hankook that where on the car, I would buy them again, but I want to see what the new Michelin is like. I've always felt the Michelin rides better than any tire I've had.
Yeah they are. I can't wait. I was saying michelin pilot super sport which is a GREAT performance/summer tire. It has a 30k warranty. Michelin just introduced the pilot sport A/S 3. That has 40k, more comfortable than the super sport, better fuel efficiency. Still great braking and handling. Hands down Michelins all the way for me. I know they might cost more but I prefer to all the benefits that michelin has.

I got tired helping people choose what tires best fits their needs. There are SO damn many choices these days. People want cheap but with all the benefits. You get what you pay for. Anything is gong to better than what hyundai puts on the vt which are kumho Solus KH25. So you can buy cheap tires and be content or you can buy michelins and get one of the best tires on your beloved vt. You will get a quiter smoother ride, better wet traction, better dry grip, better braking and handling. It is a michelin and you do pay for it. you get what you pay for.

Experience can help too. Try them, if you like them, stick with it, if not get something else. It isn't like you are going to buy tires just once. And if you don't like them, with most companies, I know costco for sure does this, if you don't like your tires with in the first 30 days you can return them.

DONT make your choices bast on looks OR UTQG. UTQG differ between companies. Don't look for tread-wear rating look at millage warranty. Michelin 400 tread wear UTQG is different than kumho 400 UTQG. If michelins says it is going to last 40k than it'll last giving driving and maintenance conditions. rubber compound makes tread wear ratings useless. Looking to see if they are AA rating can be deceiving too.
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Yeah they are. I can't wait. I was saying michelin pilot super sport which is a GREAT performance/summer tire. It has a 30k warranty. Michelin just introduced the pilot sport A/S 3. That has 40k, more comfortable than the super sport, better fuel efficiency. Still great braking and handling. Hands down Michelins all the way for me. I know they might cost more but I prefer to all the benefits that michelin has.

I got tired helping people choose what tires best fits their needs. There are SO damn many choices these days. People want cheap but with all the benefits. You get what you pay for. Anything is gong to better than what hyundai puts on the vt which are kumho Solus KH25. So you can buy cheap tires and be content or you can buy michelins and get one of the best tires on your beloved vt. You will get a quiter smoother ride, better wet traction, better dry grip, better braking and handling. It is a michelin and you do pay for it. you get what you pay for.

Experience can help too. Try them, if you like them, stick with it, if not get something else. It isn't like you are going to buy tires just once. And if you don't like them, with most companies, I know costco for sure does this, if you don't like your tires with in the first 30 days you can return them.

DONT make your choices bast on looks OR UTQG. UTQG differ between companies. Don't look for tread-wear rating look at millage warranty. Michelin 400 tread wear UTQG is different than kumho 400 UTQG. If michelins says it is going to last 40k than it'll last giving driving and maintenance conditions. rubber compound makes tread wear ratings useless. Looking to see if they are AA rating can be deceiving too.
I was checking out those Pilot Sport A/S 3's as well. Will most likely go that route this summer if my Solus's last that long.
I will tell you...today after bangin thru some mountain twisties, VERY fast...that the Michelin Pilot Super sports are damn good tires.
The research tires you out too (hehe).

I knew the obvious choice going into all of this is to pick a Michelin tire and be a happy camper. I also know that there are other very comparable tires out there for almost half the price. I was primarily looking for people with long term experience on those types of tires so I could more easily narrow down the long list of choices. Given the fact that almost everyone on this forum owns a veloster one way or another, the only other differentiating factor in tire wear/preference SHOULD hopefully be driving style....but then you run into obvious lack of quality control by many manufacturers. For example, there are actually good reviews for the Solus on Tire Rack. There are also bad reviews for michelins, though those are few and far between. The question at this point is if it's worth taking the risk that you may get a bad tire when you can play it safe and buy a Michelin (and spend more in the process).

I think I'm talking myself into buying a Pilot Sport A/S....

Ah, screw it. I'll just sleep on it and hopefully make a decision sometime in the next millenia. While I assume the fetal position in the drivers seat, you guys can throw all your long term experiences my way with your tires. I'm assuming I'm not the only one you'd be helping here. Any input on a long lasting, grippy, comfortable tire that carries it's characteristics throughout the tire life is helpful input for all of us I think.
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I don't yet own them as I can't get myself to get rid of tires that are still in good shape. But I know for sure I will be getting the DWSs because I need a performance tire that will also get me through the winter. I'm excited to get them.
I don't yet own them as I can't get myself to get rid of tires that are still in good shape. But I know for sure I will be getting the DWSs because I need a performance tire that will also get me through the winter. I'm excited to get them.
I hope it works out for you. If I didn't require a dedicated winter tire, I think I would've picked the DWS from the get go.
I've just never been thrilled by any Michelin tires that I have owned.

These Kumho Solus's are going to last way longer than I want to drive them. Kumho makes decent sport tires but I don't know if I'm excited about them either.

Continental is the only tire manufacturer that is actively developing FWD performance tires and supporting FWD race cars. I feel that racing is very important in tire development and prefer to support the brands that have the engineering and financial commitment to support racing.

So I'm only interested in buying Continental tires for my VT.
The research tires you out too (hehe).

I knew the obvious choice going into all of this is to pick a Michelin tire and be a happy camper. I also know that there are other very comparable tires out there for almost half the price.
The thing is, if you have 3 vt's, one with factory kumho, one with Continental and one with michelin you are going to get three different driving experience. One, you might have more money in your pocket choosing one or two. two, you might be happier with one or two, and three you might be broke by one or two. You can saw all you want about "very comparable" in talk but when it comes to walk it might be "far in between". I nor anyone else unless you actually test each tire on a vt you will know which tire you should roll in.

I was primarily looking for people with long term experience on those types of tires so I could more easily narrow down the long list of choices. Given the fact that almost everyone on this forum owns a veloster one way or another, the only other differentiating factor in tire wear/preference SHOULD hopefully be driving style....but then you run into obvious lack of quality control by many manufacturers. For example, there are actually good reviews for the Solus on Tire Rack. There are also bad reviews for michelins, though those are few and far between. The question at this point is if it's worth taking the risk that you may get a bad tire when you can play it safe and buy a Michelin (and spend more in the process).
The vt has only been out for a year or a little more if that. Most people are still rolling with their stock tires. SOME have already switched to other brands. Like I said before, choosing the lowest bidder to be on your car when manufacturing a vehicle will make any other tire seem AMAZING. In other words, had this been 5 or 8 years down the road, you would definitely get great response on what people like and what they don't like.

But even then, asking the general public about what tire is best is like asking where is your favorite place to eat (for me it is chilis right now and one of their plates I can't get ENOUGH of...UGH stupid diet!!!)

What kind of driver ARE YOU ToxicHorsePucky? Do you have to red line every gear? or do you drive like a grandma? If you drive like a grandma, go cheap. If you drive like vin desiel, then that gets into other categories. Do you get snow a lot? In Texas, there is no need to worry if your tires would be good in the snow or ice. Do you get a lot of rain? then you want a tire with great wet grip. Or is it nice and sunny most of the time. Then just get the best performance tire that best fits you. Do you rack up a bunch a miles a day? find the longest millage warranty. People answer those questions very differently. So if someone says "MAN GET THIS", how do you know if how and where you drive the car you are going to be happy.

Also keep into keep in mind, when people have a problem with tires no matter if it is michelins or kumho, know that Joe's michelins are going to be maintained VERY differently than Rocky's michelins. Whats to say they had proper air pressure was measured regularly, alignment was right, a sales rep didn't properly qualify the proper tire for that certain person. If joe complained that his tires rode rough, whats to say the installer didn't air the tire to the max pressure of the tire spec and not the car spec. If joe had a horrible mess alingment, whats to say the alignment caused his tire to blow out? if joe only rotated his tires 3 times on a 60k mile warranty tire, then his tires for sure aren't going to last 60k. Joe goes online and complains while rocky did everything he was suppose to and had the experience every driver should. So you can play it safe with ANY tire, michelins, kumho, just make sure you properly maintain your tires and however the tire is suppose to perform they will.

I think I'm talking myself into buying a Pilot Sport A/S....

Ah, screw it. I'll just sleep on it and hopefully make a decision sometime in the next millenia. While I assume the fetal position in the drivers seat, you guys can throw all your long term experiences my way with your tires. I'm assuming I'm not the only one you'd be helping here. Any input on a long lasting, grippy, comfortable tire that carries it's characteristics throughout the tire life is helpful input for all of us I think.
If you are talking about the Pilot Sport A/S Plus, I would saw probably not. I think the Pilot Sport A/S3 are a replacement tire for the Plus. There are two Pilot Sport A/S and both are VERY different tires. So be careful when you buy tires and you say the one you want lol don't want to drive off with an assumption.

Again, just be careful when people say they had a particular tire on one car and recommend it on the VT. tires react differently on different vehicles. Like I said before, don't be afraid of going with the wrong tire. Most companies allow a 30 money back garuntee on their tire. If you are worried that much than just chose one that you think will bes fit you as a driver, your vt and you r driving conditions and if you don't like them then go the next route up. If you are planning on going with the Pilot Sport A/S 3 then you are miles ahead :D

I don't yet own them as I can't get myself to get rid of tires that are still in good shape. But I know for sure I will be getting the DWSs because I need a performance tire that will also get me through the winter. I'm excited to get them.
Glad you found a tire that will best fit your needs RieBauer17....NOW GO GET THAT REAR BRACE FIXED lol

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Guys, I am not saying spend the most or buy the cheapest either. I have bought the cheapest tires I could and was actually happy with them. Would I go that route again, probably not but if I was on a tight budget and needed tires I would.

Also, choosing tires does depend on how much you can spend. Just because bill gates can afford michelins doesn't mean a unemployed should go the same route. Buy what you can afford.


I hate this topic I get into it more than I should LOL
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Continental is the only tire manufacturer that is actively developing FWD performance tires and supporting FWD race cars.
Never knew tires could be actively developed for a FWD car LOL

I call BS.

Sorry dude but I've been around tires long enough know as long as tires are rotated it is impossible to develop a tire that is better in the front then the rear.

I am talking about regular street cars (even performance street cars) not racing sport track cars though.
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