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I've finally picked up some rims (18x7.5, offset of 48). Now I need tires. This has been a little bit more difficult to get a handle on. First off, every place carries different brands, mostly mutually exclusive. Second, every place also has their own policies, perks, and disadvantages. Third, reviews for most tires are extremely diverse - which I suspect stems from different driving conditions. Forth, there is pricing. I found that tires are unique from most other products in that pricy tires does not necessarily mean good - and likewise, cheap does not mean bad.

As I do with most purchases, I do a crazy amount of reading, but with tires...especially tires (wheels were easy - looks, weight, strength - done), the more I read, the more muddled my search becomes.

I am from the North East. We get a fair bit of snow, so my decision process has come to: set of summer tires + winter tires, or a set of really nice all season, or all season + winter.
All season plus winter makes the most sense to me as the weather here can be quite sporadic. If snow comes out of nowhere, and I don't have Winter tires on yet, I would not want to be in Summer tires. Like-wise, I get the impression that all seasons are not sufficient for snow/ice, so Winter is preferred.

Our stock VT tires actually worked out pretty well in the snow. Going back and forth between the dealership when I made my purchase, it was snowing pretty bad. The stock tires felt fine going 50-55 ish on the highway - but then again, I'm a fairly defensive driver (I slowly feel that is going away though...curse of the VT).

Tire research process...

At first, I wanted Bridgestones - mainly the RE970AS. Tire Rack rated them fairly well, and they are also on sale at Costco. Costco so far has been my ideal place for tires. It is my understanding that they are certified, and if something goes wrong, there is the financial backing of Costco themselves. They also provide various free tire maintenance services with tire purchase - at least till your membership runs out. I thought I was all good to go...till I discovered the complaints about traction in the snow.

Doing my research - the DWS looks like a great option, if not the best option - except there is no local option. I have to order it, and take it to a place to mount. I would lose the perks of a locally purchased tire.

Now I am looking at Goodyear Eagle F1 Asymmetric All-Season. They look pretty good, but are more pricy than the RE970AS and DWS by a fairly large margin. I also don't know if I trust Goodyear techs (haven't done research on them really). The downside is that there aren't many reviews out for it - especially related to snow. That is a fairly large unknown.

A buddy of mine recommended the Toyo Proxi 4 Plus all-seasons.

Costco only cares like three brands apparently, with Michelin being one of them and a good choice from my understanding. I'm kind of a sale whore though, so knowing that there is going to be a coupon in like one and a half months is putting me back. Costco also have fairly poor prices compared to competitors, so without the coupon, its a terrible bargain.

This is getting a bit overwhelming to me. Anyone with some directional advice? Perhaps the RE970AS isn't as bad as people make it seem (optimistic thinking)?
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Does anyone have estimates on how many miles Continental DWS will last on our cars? I ask because my VT came with the Kumhos and I rotated at 3500 miles when I got my. Now at 10000 miles im ready to rotate and the rear is almost out of tread. I drive it hard but don't understand how the rear is so low. The front has another 3500 miles in them maybe more. My only guess is maybe my strut bar helped conserve tread since it was installed when I rotated my tires. Either way I have a reason to get rid of these tires finally and DWS have great reviews and ratings on tire rack. Give me at least 20-25k miles of hard driving and ill be happy as long as it can stand some snow and still perform well.

Edit: Also I may by pierce torsion bar to help with the scary rear end. That is where I have the problem, it seems to lose traction easily and has kicked violently to the side in heavy rain.
As always I def recommend asking Dianaz06, Mike, he knows a ton about tires! He's a plethora of tire and wheel knowledge!
As always I def recommend asking Dianaz06, Mike, he knows a ton about tires! He's a plethora of tire and wheel knowledge!
Correct!! He helped me out when it came to buying my tires.
As always I def recommend asking Dianaz06, Mike, he knows a ton about tires! He's a plethora of tire and wheel knowledge!
Correct!! He helped me out when it came to buying my tires.
THATS RIGHT LOVE ME! lol j/k I highly appreciate the appreciation! I've been working for some years now in the BEST tire center for the BEST company to work for :D I am a tire/wheel junkie now :D

Does anyone have estimates on how many miles Continental DWS will last on our cars? I ask because my VT came with the Kumhos and I rotated at 3500 miles when I got my. Now at 10000 miles im ready to rotate and the rear is almost out of tread. I drive it hard but don't understand how the rear is so low. The front has another 3500 miles in them maybe more. My only guess is maybe my strut bar helped conserve tread since it was installed when I rotated my tires. Either way I have a reason to get rid of these tires finally and DWS have great reviews and ratings on tire rack. Give me at least 20-25k miles of hard driving and ill be happy as long as it can stand some snow and still perform well.

Edit: Also I may by pierce torsion bar to help with the scary rear end. That is where I have the problem, it seems to lose traction easily and has kicked violently to the side in heavy rain.
Hello bluevtm. My name is Mike, Michael, whatever you'd like to call me. I've been called names bad enough they can't even say them in rated R movies LOL j/k but here on these forums I am known as MyDianaZ06. and I would be glad to give you my personal opinion on proper tire maintenance and recommendations on tires.

First off, rotations, air pressure checks and alignments are 3 key things you should do regularly to maintain a tires life.

1) The whole point of rotating tires is to make the tires last as long as they can. If you just leave the tires on the same place usually they wear on the driven wheels. For example, if you forget to rotate your tires you will noticed your front tires wear faster than the rear tires. So by rotating them every 6k to 8k will slow the wear down and spread the wear between all tires slower than just not rotating them and allowing the one side to wear super fast. A lot of people forget to rotate their tires and then get them rotated at around 10k to 15k and wonder why their rear tires wore down so quickly. The case is they were on the front for so long they wore down fast then when they got rotated it seemed like the rears wore down fast.

On our VT's, I would rotate these tires around 6k to 7k. Do it religiously. Make sure the pattern is the same every single time. Our vehicles are front wheel drive. The way we do it we cross the driven wheels and move the non driven wheels straight. Specifically, LF to LR, RF to RR, LR to RF and RR to LF. Do this every 6k to 7k. This will guarantee optimized life span.

If you want to get VERY technical about rotations, if you think 7k is too much, get a digital tread depth gauge. at 5k miles, check the tread dept between the front and the back MOST tires tread starts around 10/32nd. This is a measurement. If at 5k, if your tread between the front and the back is at or greater than 2/32nd between the front and back, then rotate them. Example, lets say XYZ tires that you installed started at 10/32nd tread dept. If at 5k they both are at 8/32nd, I'd wait another 1k miles. IF you measure your tread at 5k and the fronts are at 7/32nd and the rears are at 9/32nd then rotate them. Or is you want to rotate them when they get 1/32nd difference between the front and back you can. Keep track though. this is good practice.

I would recommend the Dill Digital Tread Depth Gauge. this is what we use at work. you can find them cheap probably on ebay or something. if you need help using them I can make a video to show you how to read tire tread dept.


2) Alignments
The whole point of alignments is to prevent irregular tire wear. Though, finding a shop that actually has a knack for doing perfect alignments are hard to find. Sure, you can take it to Hyundai dealership but don't think they are going to do the BEST job because they are Hyundai. They don't have special alignment racks specific to one car. They have the same racks most shops do. As a matter of fact, a lot of shops buy used alignment racks to cut cost of making a shop complete. most of those guys just know how to set it up and know how to cut corners on alignments. Machines have to be calibrated regularly, techs should have hours spent on them to better familiarize themselves with the machine and should have a journal for each vehicle to remind themselves of how front ends like to be aligned. Most of the data they have are general specs. Not specific. SO if you can find a good shop that you can trust, go for it. But please don't take it to some random shop and expect great results. In the end, you could be spending your hard earned money for some lame tech who knows how to cut corners. IN that case, not only did you get robbed by the tech but your tires will show too.

Reason why I say all that about alignments is because I see it time and time again where a dealership did someones alignment and they come back to me complaining about how their tires wore on the inside of the tread and blame it on us and the tire. When really their dealership ruined their tires. Consumers can be so naive about tire maintenance and rely on their dealers to maintain their vehicle. dealers are not responsible for your vehicle, YOU ARE. Find a good alignment shop and take it regularly. Honestly once a year is pushing it. I have this firestone I take my cars for alignments because I know this one specif shop and for whatever reason this firestone manager has techs that are very knowledgeable in alignments and their rack was brand new when the shop opened a couple of years back. They maintain regular calibration and make sure their techs are up to date on whatever changes needed to made on the machine. Reason I bring them up is because they have a GREAT deal on alignments. Lifetime alignments for 150 bucks. By the second alignment it pays for itself. do that every 6 months. You have every right to talk to the managers their about their alignments. Ask them how old the machine is and if they calibrate it regularly. Talk to a few. I know there are usually multiple firestones in one city.

3) air pressure. Check this monthly. Not just when the TPMS light comes on. You will probably notice it come on soon since winter is on its way. Shoot, but a nice digital gauge and check it weekly or daily if you want. Guys this is the single most prevented maintenance one can do on your own. My wife hates my repetitiveness about checking her air pressure. Checking air pressure is not JUST about checking for proper air, it constitutes better fuel efficiency, better wet/dry tracting, better tread wear and tire life. and a whole lot more. Not to mention when you check your air pressure you naturally look closely at the tread and you get very familiar about how your tire is wearing. PROPER air pressure. Proper air pressure means checking your driver door sticker for proper air pressure, NOT THE SIDE OF YOUR TIRE. I will tell you right now, proper air pressure for the VT is not 40 psi. I don't own one so at the moment so I can't look at my veloster turbo driver side sticker to check what the proper air pressure it. I will check when I get to work though for your info. But this is something you can though.

THE BEST GAUGE I CAN RECOMMEND IS accutire ms-4021b. I have one I have been using for almost SIX years. It has been to hell and back and still works one the same battery. I swear by this gauge. It is my buddy at work. Great diagnostic tool. If you need help using one I can make a video to show you how to use one.


Reason why I tell you ALL this is because if you do these 3 things on ANY vehicle, you will have great feedback on tires no matter what tire you go with. If you can go by these rule of thumb you, your tires and your vehicle will be happy :D

I don't want to get into tire review. It is truly politics. It is up to you how you maintain your tires. I hate politics. But I like standards. My standard is Continental are MID GRADE AT BEST. If you want best, go for Michelin or bridgestone. All others are imitators and are a waste of money. (see have I gotten under skin lol)

If you want my recommendation on a tire for you, given what you said, go for Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3. These are A+ and dry weather A+ in wet weather and great winter tires. These are SNOW tires but these will give exceptional winter grip. If you want a winter tire then Michelin makes a tire called Ice X3 I believe. But I think the A/S 3's will suite you best. Extremely quit, extremely smooth, very grippy. A/S 3's will stop better in dry and wet giving you a safer ride and they grip better giving you exceptional steering response. I swear these tires alone will cut at least a full second off your lap time LOL well I don't know about that. But these eat all other imitators like Continental all day long. Michelin Pilot Sport A/S 3's come with a 45k mile warranty. Of course if rotated properly and given the fact you have proper alignment and air pressure throughout its life. 45/6.5=6.9. This means you should rotate your tires 7 times with these tires.

UGH here goes me taking too much. Sorry guys. Hope this helps some what lol
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I'm usually the long-winded one in this forum.
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I'm usually the long-winded one in this forum.
LOL if it is something I know a lot of, I can talk a lot about it.

I don't want to toot my own horns and say say I know everything about this stuff but I have a BIG advantage about knowing this type of stuff than most because because it is my current career and has been for 6 years. I would find it selfish if I don't lend my vast knowledge and experience about this stuff to others. It is all for your benefit to ask questions and get a great response to help you out :D that is what this community is all about.

All though, I wish I had great grammar like you do Stone Axe. I suck at it. Maybe it is my ADD that gets in the way. I tease people when they misuse there/their and your/you're lol but that is just to poke fun. I am the last to correct someone's grammar or spelling. I rely a lot on the wife, google and the auto grammar/spelling check :D I envy people that can speak and write great.

BTW weren't you the one writing a novel or something like that?
LOL if it is something I know a lot of, I can talk a lot about it.

I don't want to toot my own horns and say say I know everything about this stuff but I have a BIG advantage about knowing this type of stuff than most because because it is my current career and has been for 6 years. I would find it selfish if I don't lend my vast knowledge and experience about this stuff to others. It is all for your benefit to ask questions and get a great response to help you out :D that is what this community is all about.

All though, I wish I had great grammar like you do Stone Axe. I suck at it. Maybe it is my ADD that gets in the way. I tease people when they misuse there/their and your/you're lol but that is just to poke fun. I am the last to correct someone's grammar or spelling. I rely a lot on the wife, google and the auto grammar/spelling check :D I envy people that can speak and write great.

BTW weren't you the one writing a novel or something like that?
Thanks for all the help. Im trying to get at least 200k miles of hard driving out of this car so I do keep up on my maintenance. I guess im just surprised how fast the stock tires were eaten. And what gets me is why they are a few spirited drives away from being slicks. If you have ever heard of the Pagoda hill climb iv done 8-10 runs up and down the last month and its probably what killed my tires. Its 9 turns up the side of a mountain. But why the rear tires? It did slide out a bit but the front did most of the spinning. Needing a new set of tires after 10k miles is just crazy considering I have never been to a track.

Im guessing those are new tires because there isn't much info on tire rack but the comments sound good. I like the tread pattern too. I don't know much about tire fitment but the closest size is 215/45R18 and I don't want to mess up my speedo with the extra sidewall. I know a bit about stretching but adding a 225 on the stock rim wouldn't its performance help would it? And as far as tire goes road noise means nothing and feel isn't that big to me. I that matters is a tire that's going to give me GREAT summer grip and cornering without killing me in the snow. Those Michelins do look good though if they fit and the price isn't too bad.

Thank you for all the advice and the discovery of a new tire!
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I had Conti DWS's on my NAV for about 15,500 miles before I sold it and they barely wore in. I have a feeling that they will outlast their 50,000mi warranty by quite a bit. To say that I drove my NAV spiritedly would be an understatement, you had to floor that damn car to get it to go ANYWHERE, and once it was at speed, I would do just about anything to keep it there. Not much slowing down for turns etc...

The Conti DWS's have my vote any day of the week. In my opinion they're a "Honey Badger" tire.... They dont give a sh*t what you're driving on, they're going to grip the hell out of it and you're going to have fun. They got a little loud over 80mph, but still WAY quieter than the stock Kuhmo's

If you're a little strapped for cash, the Nitto Neo-Gen's are a good tire as well. Considerably more noisy than the Continental's, but still better than Kuhmo's. Dry traction is a good improvement over stock, but dont expect too much out of them in icy/snowy conditions.

A new set of Conti DWS's are on their way to my house right now for the VT... so yep. I can make a "before and after" video for ride noise, stopping distance, and cornering control after I get them mounted if you'd like. Shouldn't be too long, probably 14 days at the most (the tires were backordered when I ordered them, but they came back into stock as of this morning)
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I would really appreciate that although you don't need to make a video of it, just pm me or post it. Its between the DWS and Michelin A/S and im starting to like the A/S tires the more I read about them. They have better handling and more feel in the wet and dry. As long as I can maintain the speed limit on a highway in a bit of slush or snow im happy. Although im sure the DWS will do better in winter weather. Every once in a while the rear end gets sketchy in rain and im sure snow amplifies it. Hopefully my Kumho's will last until winter because this is a hard decision.
The stock tires have a 40k mile warranty and I've been doing my best to wear them out. After 12k miles and one rotation they are holding up well.

But they are not good tires and I want to replace them with softer tires even though they still have plenty of life left in them.

I'm torn between the Conti DWS and the Kumho Ecsta tires.

To put things in to perspective my older brother is in the grips of a midlife crisis and rolling a fairly new 911. He needs a $3,000 set of Dunlop gumballs every 6 months. Since they are directional and different sizes front to rear you can't rotate them to eek more miles out of them.

Did I mention that I love my VT?
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The difference is minimal. It is going to be a 10 mil wider (which varies between tires, some can show no difference between a 225 and a 215 and some can show some difference.)

ok to explain to you, 225 is going to be the width of the tire that touches the ground, 40 is 40% of 225 that is on the side wall, so 40% of 225 is how think or high the side wall will be, and 18 of course is going to be the size of the rim that it fits on.

So note that 225 is going to be SLIGHTLY wider than a 215, also keep in mind everytime you go up in widht, the side wall is a little taller, %40 of 225 is taller than %40 of 215.

Get it?
Yep,Thanks...But here goes the noob question?
Will a 235 or 240 fit on the stock rim. I'd really like the factory rims,but would like a wider tire.
DUH!!!!:indecisiveness:

Suggestions anyone.
Yep,Thanks...But here goes the noob question?
Will a 235 or 240 fit on the stock rim. I'd really like the factory rims,but would like a wider tire.
DUH!!!!:indecisiveness:

Suggestions anyone.
HI

235 what? 235/40? 235/35?

240 does not exist :D

widest I would suggest is 225/40 OR 225/35 on the factory rim. Both fit very well.

BTW 235/40 rim width range is 8" - 9.5". So I defintely wouldn't put that on our factory 7.5" rim.
I have 23500 on Vinnie right now and will need tires in the next 5-7K miles. We dont have snow here if any and if it does snow here in Houston, I would drive the Hemi Ram anyway. We do however, have a lot of rain and I drive a lot of highway and the occaisional beach, so I am strongly considering the Continental ExtremeContact DWS215/40ZR18 89Y. Cheapest I have found was discount tire. I can get less expensive on line, but by the time I add shipping and mounting, etc. I am back at what I can get $$ locally. Plus the 50, 000 warranty is inviting. I had Continentals on my Volvo S40 and they were ok tires
I have 23500 on Vinnie right now and will need tires in the next 5-7K miles. We dont have snow here if any and if it does snow here in Houston, I would drive the Hemi Ram anyway. We do however, have a lot of rain and I drive a lot of highway and the occaisional beach, so I am strongly considering the Continental ExtremeContact DWS215/40ZR18 89Y. Cheapest I have found was discount tire. I can get less expensive on line, but by the time I add shipping and mounting, etc. I am back at what I can get $$ locally. Plus the 50, 000 warranty is inviting. I had Continentals on my Volvo S40 and they were ok tires
I just purchased 4 Continental ExtremeContact DWS 225/40R18 Tires and had them mounted this weekend. Only have 50 miles on them so far but a good choice for a tire nonetheless.

Thanks
Phil

P.S. I think Nate ( turbosocks) uses Kumho Ectasa
I was going back and forth...............between................the Continental DWS 225/40/18 or NITTO Motivos' [8" MSR Wheels] and I just opted for the Motivos.......thus far I LOVE them, really improved the ride quality and quiet too..........LOOK Great on my lowered VT.........FILL the wheel wells and look like they;d be hitting something but they don't. DWS's are definitely better in the snow............but, I generally just park my ride if it snows and wait for a thaw.
$130 each with $75 REBATE! America's Tire Co.
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Phenomenal in the wet.
Everything's better when wet. Jungle love. Steve miller band. Back on topic
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